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	<title>Comments on: Badmouthing Birthparents: To do or not to do?</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://stepparent.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/badmouthing-birthparents-to-do-or-not-to/comment-page-1#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right Julie about the inability to effectively limit the non custodial parent, an inherent part of step parenting (not a neat part).  Your point about the child&#039;s reaction if he percives comments as badmouthing of his parent is so true.  It is a tricky line to follow.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if the talk about abuse is separated cleanly from mitigation and extenuation, you still get to be the one at some point to pitch the abusive parent as positively as possible.  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right Julie about the inability to effectively limit the non custodial parent, an inherent part of step parenting (not a neat part).  Your point about the child&#8217;s reaction if he percives comments as badmouthing of his parent is so true.  It is a tricky line to follow.</p>
<p>Even if the talk about abuse is separated cleanly from mitigation and extenuation, you still get to be the one at some point to pitch the abusive parent as positively as possible.  John</p>
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		<title>By: Faith Allen</title>
		<link>http://stepparent.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/badmouthing-birthparents-to-do-or-not-to/comment-page-1#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a couple of friends in high school in a similar situation (minus the stepparent adoption part). Both lived with stable fathers but had to, by law, visit with their extremely unstable mothers. It was really tough on the kids. I am sure it had to be hard on the fathers and stepmoms, too.&lt;br /&gt;
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- Faith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a couple of friends in high school in a similar situation (minus the stepparent adoption part). Both lived with stable fathers but had to, by law, visit with their extremely unstable mothers. It was really tough on the kids. I am sure it had to be hard on the fathers and stepmoms, too.</p>
<p>- Faith</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Crowley</title>
		<link>http://stepparent.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/badmouthing-birthparents-to-do-or-not-to/comment-page-1#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At that point she was still involved in his life, and we did not have any sort of legal recourse to get her out of his life.  He would go back and forth on the hopes that she would start to treat him nice again, to hating her with a passion, and since we legally had to enforce visits and phone calls, we wanted him to see some of the good as well as the bad that was easy for him to find.  &lt;br /&gt;
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He did choose later on to write her off, but we wanted it to be his choice.  He knew the bad, he was reminded of the good, and the choice was his as to which one was more prominent to him.&lt;br /&gt;
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He had also suffered through many times of her trashing us up and down, which always left him in tears, bitter, angry, and resentful, so we wanted to make sure to be as neutral as possible towards her as a person, and really only have an opinion on her choices, as he was very sensitive to comments about his parents.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Great reasons or not, everyone always has one behind every action that they take.  We let him know that she had reasons behind her actions, so that he understood that he was not the reason, nor the cause.  &lt;br /&gt;
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It was a very tricky line to walk, that is for sure!  I am sure that there were times when I certainly could have been harsher, but at that time we had no idea that the situation would ever lead to a stepparent adoption, and were doing our best to help him to understand the situation, since there was nothing that we could do to get him out of it.  Had her rights already been terminated I am sure it would have been easier for us to take a stronger stance, but since he would still have to visit her house, we had to do our best to keep things peaceful and get him to understand that yes most of what she did was wrong, but she did have good in her too, and maybe this visit would be a good one...&lt;br /&gt;
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Once her rights were terminated it was easier for us to be able to take a stronger stance, but still not trash her.  There may come a day when he decides, as an adult, to forgive her and try having her in his life again, and there may not, either way he has been given the most unbiased opinions possible so that he can form his own opinions and feelings about her, and not feed off of what he thinks we want him to do, or do what we think is the right thing to do.  &lt;br /&gt;
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When it is a stepparent, or divorce situation (as I am sure you know all to well John!) things can just get so sticky and complicated, and you can&#039;t just force the other parent out of the child&#039;s life, you have to make the best of what you have, which is what we tried to do.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you all for your comments, I enjoyed reading them, and always enjoy hearing other&#039;s opinions.  &lt;br /&gt;
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And glad to have you back John!  I was just thinking about you yesterday wondering where you had gone off to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At that point she was still involved in his life, and we did not have any sort of legal recourse to get her out of his life.  He would go back and forth on the hopes that she would start to treat him nice again, to hating her with a passion, and since we legally had to enforce visits and phone calls, we wanted him to see some of the good as well as the bad that was easy for him to find.  </p>
<p>He did choose later on to write her off, but we wanted it to be his choice.  He knew the bad, he was reminded of the good, and the choice was his as to which one was more prominent to him.</p>
<p>He had also suffered through many times of her trashing us up and down, which always left him in tears, bitter, angry, and resentful, so we wanted to make sure to be as neutral as possible towards her as a person, and really only have an opinion on her choices, as he was very sensitive to comments about his parents.  </p>
<p>Great reasons or not, everyone always has one behind every action that they take.  We let him know that she had reasons behind her actions, so that he understood that he was not the reason, nor the cause.  </p>
<p>It was a very tricky line to walk, that is for sure!  I am sure that there were times when I certainly could have been harsher, but at that time we had no idea that the situation would ever lead to a stepparent adoption, and were doing our best to help him to understand the situation, since there was nothing that we could do to get him out of it.  Had her rights already been terminated I am sure it would have been easier for us to take a stronger stance, but since he would still have to visit her house, we had to do our best to keep things peaceful and get him to understand that yes most of what she did was wrong, but she did have good in her too, and maybe this visit would be a good one&#8230;</p>
<p>Once her rights were terminated it was easier for us to be able to take a stronger stance, but still not trash her.  There may come a day when he decides, as an adult, to forgive her and try having her in his life again, and there may not, either way he has been given the most unbiased opinions possible so that he can form his own opinions and feelings about her, and not feed off of what he thinks we want him to do, or do what we think is the right thing to do.  </p>
<p>When it is a stepparent, or divorce situation (as I am sure you know all to well John!) things can just get so sticky and complicated, and you can&#8217;t just force the other parent out of the child&#8217;s life, you have to make the best of what you have, which is what we tried to do.  </p>
<p>Thank you all for your comments, I enjoyed reading them, and always enjoy hearing other&#8217;s opinions.  </p>
<p>And glad to have you back John!  I was just thinking about you yesterday wondering where you had gone off to!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://stepparent.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/badmouthing-birthparents-to-do-or-not-to/comment-page-1#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Julie.  I do have to take exception to your idea of mixing learning compassion with validating the mistreatment he lived through.  He was forced to justify his feelings to you or go with your idea of what he should feel.  First, they are his feelings and hs is entitled to them. Second, it does send the message &quot;See, its not really so bad, because the adult had a reason to do what they did even if it wasn&#039;t a great reason.&quot;  Learning compassion has to be completely separate from any discussion of abuse.  When someone has abused a child, why doesn&#039;t the child have a right, at some point, to write that person off?  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Julie.  I do have to take exception to your idea of mixing learning compassion with validating the mistreatment he lived through.  He was forced to justify his feelings to you or go with your idea of what he should feel.  First, they are his feelings and hs is entitled to them. Second, it does send the message &#8220;See, its not really so bad, because the adult had a reason to do what they did even if it wasn&#8217;t a great reason.&#8221;  Learning compassion has to be completely separate from any discussion of abuse.  When someone has abused a child, why doesn&#8217;t the child have a right, at some point, to write that person off?  John</p>
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		<title>By: Faith Allen</title>
		<link>http://stepparent.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/badmouthing-birthparents-to-do-or-not-to/comment-page-1#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading your post and how you have handled this situation. I am glad that this method is working for your adopted stepson.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;I also wanted him to grow up with compassion and understanding, and not just write someone off because they had made mistakes in the past...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the crux of where I respectfully disagree. My sister would stand firmly in your camp, too, and we have found a way to respectfully disagree w/each other re: our mother. :0) My sister believes that, no matter what our mother did or continues to do, she is still our mother and, therefore, we need to stay connected to her in some manner. &lt;br /&gt;
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I look at our situation differently. My issue is not only with her past mistakes but with her continued poor choices running right up through today. It is not like she had an &quot;aha&quot; moment, took responsibility, and changed -- she is still the same manipulative woman she has always been. She brings nothing of value to my life, so why would I keep her in it? Then there is the added issue of her potential risk to my son&#039;s safety, but I won&#039;t go there for the purposes of this discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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It will be interesting to see where your adopted stepson goes w/this once he is an adult. I know many adult survivors of childhood abuse (including sexual, physical, and emotional abuse). Many choose to completely cut off all ties. Others choose to keep their abusers in their lives. I believe this is a personal choice that must be respected. It is hard to spend time with someone who hurts you on a regular basis, even if that person is your biological mother. It makes it harder when people judge you for removing that person from your life. But I digress . . . :0)&lt;br /&gt;
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I truly respect the &quot;tight rope walking&quot; that you are doing, and it sounds like your stepson is getting his needs met, which is GREAT! He is blessed to have you in his life.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take care,&lt;br /&gt;
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- Faith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading your post and how you have handled this situation. I am glad that this method is working for your adopted stepson.</p>
<p>&#8220;I also wanted him to grow up with compassion and understanding, and not just write someone off because they had made mistakes in the past&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the crux of where I respectfully disagree. My sister would stand firmly in your camp, too, and we have found a way to respectfully disagree w/each other re: our mother. :0) My sister believes that, no matter what our mother did or continues to do, she is still our mother and, therefore, we need to stay connected to her in some manner. </p>
<p>I look at our situation differently. My issue is not only with her past mistakes but with her continued poor choices running right up through today. It is not like she had an &#8220;aha&#8221; moment, took responsibility, and changed &#8212; she is still the same manipulative woman she has always been. She brings nothing of value to my life, so why would I keep her in it? Then there is the added issue of her potential risk to my son&#8217;s safety, but I won&#8217;t go there for the purposes of this discussion.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see where your adopted stepson goes w/this once he is an adult. I know many adult survivors of childhood abuse (including sexual, physical, and emotional abuse). Many choose to completely cut off all ties. Others choose to keep their abusers in their lives. I believe this is a personal choice that must be respected. It is hard to spend time with someone who hurts you on a regular basis, even if that person is your biological mother. It makes it harder when people judge you for removing that person from your life. But I digress . . . :0)</p>
<p>I truly respect the &#8220;tight rope walking&#8221; that you are doing, and it sounds like your stepson is getting his needs met, which is GREAT! He is blessed to have you in his life.</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>- Faith</p>
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		<title>By: Mil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - you are a very wise person.  I hope to use the way you handled things as a guideline when I discuss things with my grandsons.  Their mother left them when they were 14 &amp; 5yrs. old and moved 2 states away.  She&#039;s made some very poor choices and cannot acknowledge it.  It&#039;s all about her and she has hurt them terribly.  I don&#039;t want to trash her, but I don&#039;t want them to think her choices are good ones.  Thanks for a very wonderful post.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; you are a very wise person.  I hope to use the way you handled things as a guideline when I discuss things with my grandsons.  Their mother left them when they were 14 &amp; 5yrs. old and moved 2 states away.  She&#8217;s made some very poor choices and cannot acknowledge it.  It&#8217;s all about her and she has hurt them terribly.  I don&#8217;t want to trash her, but I don&#8217;t want them to think her choices are good ones.  Thanks for a very wonderful post.</p>
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